KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The Phoenix Force vs. Franklin Richards. As a beyond omega mutant , Franklin's potential is , at the very least , one level of infinity above Hope's . KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > Phoenix vs Franklin Richards(full power) GalacticStorm. @lordofallhumans: 1) Jean Grey's Inheritence: Ah yes. He may be able to use the power because of experience, but in the end he can't be more powerful because she can have his power magnify it and host the Phoenix. Franklin has been confirmed as a beyond omega mutant twice on-panel . While very powerful in his own right, it was made clear that he still had some limits, since he needed his younger self to help him be amped to revive Galactus. That is why it would be pointless to mention, especially when neither rachel or Jean actually even tried to close him off. The Phoenix was incomplete without Jean, because it's not sentient. History shows that mere power mimicing doesn't mean that the copier has the same degree of power as the other, mimic essentially overloaded when he attempted to copy Nate grey's powers, so in Franklin's case his reality warping abilities most likely would exceed hers by far, Hope is not Mimic and history has shown that she is an omega level mutant mimic and it takes several mutants with her power also increasing those powers to overwhelm her, Franklin is one mutant, and if she can contain the Phoenix she should be able to mimic him with no problem. great what feats does Jean have again that make her omniversal LMFAO? that doesnt make her universal by any stretch of the imagination. Franklin Richards is fully mature and able to use his powers to his full potential. So since you mention Jean and Rachel, yes, Jean and Rachel with Phoenix is greater than the Force on its own. @jardinain2: why ask for a scan for something you claim to already know? reading your posts gives me cancer. Its from Future Foundation # 16 . 11 comments. That link doesn't work please post a different site. I see a mind-to-mind battle incoming. Beyond omega is redundant, however you want spin it. He can depower her ? @cosmic_reign: To elaborate a bit more on the sentience in regards to it being a force that Lord mentioned, it is intelligent and alive, but it doesn't feel. How ? its not like i have proof or something. The Phoenix is only one of the names given to the force of creation. Franklin joined the X-Men, to aid in the rebellion against the Fantastic Four and the Sentinels. How can his potential be higher than a person that can mimic it? franklin is def going to own in the first one, the second franklin has a legit shot at winning, right now adult franklin is going to be ranked above a full powered galactus. Franklin Richards vs Phoenix(Rachel Summers) KMC Community Forums. how would this version of franklin do vs Dark Phoenix version of Jean Grey? even Heralds can do that lmao. There are levels of infinity . He cpuild have simply opened it up and dragged them out. Now, I he were to say change its landscape or he were to concur Rachel who was trying to close the entrance in, then it would be good mention. If you want to debate how the Phoenix can defeat Franklin , then do so based on relevant combat and power feats . She's multiversal and without PIS/CIS it should be very easy for the Phoenix Force to vanquish him. The Phoenix Force. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I've stated multiple times that nothing she has performed so far suggest that she contend with Franklin,and even if the phoenix augments her powers there is no certainty that it would excel Franklin's. He can immunize himself to her mimicry ? © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. he's dead. She collapased from the strain of mimicking the power of fodder mutants in Utopia , when she destroyed Kuurth's helmet . In that case, the only way Franklin wins is by calling Jean's psyche because he can't overpower Phoenix. Round 1: Franklin, Hope isn't that experienced with the Phoenix Force, and hasn't done anything on Franklin's level, Round 2: The Phoenix, it is much stronger without a host, and I think Jean could beat Franklin. So yeah the Phoenix Force that became one with 616 Jean is the Phoenix Force proper. Isn't the Phoenix Force practicaly completely immortal and can only die if all life is extinguished? The Phoenix in it's natural state is not sentient, which is why it used hosts and avatars to be sentient. He is still human and will only last so long, whereas the Phoenix can sustain the user for however long it sees fit. How exactly would he do so? He is at the very least , as powerful as his younger self , considering how he was able to briefly halt the collapse of all realities into a single time-stream , and was able to safeguard his timeline's destruction from the Revision Wave , by generating a self-sustaining pocket reality for it , and ended up saving and founding a new future . They are responsible for his existence , not the Phoenix . Also , seeing as how you cherry-picked an alternate reality incident , let me remind you that a much weaker version of Franklin from Days of Future Past , was able to hijack Rachel Summers' link to the Phoenix Force . hide. Commander Vimes Custodian. Is reading hard for you? In regardto the Mad Celestials' battle, the only purpose of using his younger counterpart's energy was to revive Galactus,all of the other showings, killing 2 Celestials on his own stemmed from his own reserveswhich is still a very impressive feat, and i have proven why mimicing his abilities may not be enough, there are multiple factors, lack of skill and power output, you're just neglecting the obvious reasons and still hope needs to be in close enough proximity to even demonstrate his abilities. https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1872965.html Here r some scans of the Dark/Phoenix, she says my power is considerable and growing but for the moment it is still finit. Thee focus is the power aspect which a host could properly focus it, Jean Grey and Rachel Grey in particular being the greatest and most powerful examples. He can depower her , just as he did to his grandfather . issue #? Even with other Grey members the Phoenix will always choose Jean. Reality warping is out of the question if the Dark Phoenix has access to the M'Kraan Crystal, which protect Rachel and Psylocke from the reality warping of Scarlet Witch at the start of house of m. Even without it, reality warping Dark Phoenix is nearly out of the question Jean doesn't hold Phoenix back.As AvX shown, the more Phoenix fragments were gathered, the less effect Scarlet Witches power had on it. Except for White Phoenix of the Crown , no other Avatar of the Phoenix has displayed anywhere near Franklin's feats . If you are going to use some hypothetical instance where hope is a master of the complete extent of the phoenix force, then she would be able to pwn franklin all day, but right now hope would be toast. Franklin Benjamin Richards is a fictional character appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics.The character is usually depicted as a supporting character in Fantastic Four.He has been portrayed as a child and as a budding superhero, albeit inexperienced. While the phoenix is a multiverse level force, franklin on his own as a boy was able to create entire universes. (It is sort of Phoenix related). The Phoenix does it's best feats with a sentient host or avatar and weaker versions than Dark Phoenix have effortlessly undone reality warping.