There was a theory that the current king of Wakanda took a tiny piece and sent it to "a good man" who in turn made the serum. This could hint at a parallel between the mind behind the super soldier serum and the conductor of the Heart-Shaped Herb ritual. As for Banner’s formula, the gamma radiation is the likely culprit for the Hulk and Abomination transformations. He can fight hand-to-hand with Cap, who’s a supersoldier, so he has super strength and heightened instincts that give him his enhanced abilities.” He doesn’t just mention Captain America. Well that HSH allows you to meet your ancestors too, sounds like a cool power, I mean I miss my grandparents, I wish I could interact with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVpWZCSqQEA. ‘The Heart Shaped Herb was incorporated into the Serum by Howard Stark, who somehow got a sample of the Herb from Wakanda, where he also obtained the vibranium used to … What TChalla and Eric mostly gained was increased agility and speed, and strength that is low level superhuman. Pretty sure Cap took out T'Challa and Rhodes at the same time in Civil War though. They might not even have stepped foot in Wakanda, at least not knowingly. In Cap’s case, it was the Super Soldier Serum and in Black Panther’s case, it was the heart-shaped herb, only found in Wakanda. Nobody can seem to replicate it perfectly; Zola, Howard Stark, and Bruce all try, but none of them get it right. T’Challa is currently aiding Captain America’s friend Bucky. That could explain why his formula is so different than the others. Steve Rogers became the ultimate soldier thanks to a vial or a two of Super Soldier Serum and the aid of Vita-Rays. Peak Human Conditioning/Physiology/State 6. The germans most likely came across it during their time in Africa, Schmitts extensive and fanatic occult research in his obsession for power would easily bring him across wakandan lore and when Erskine saw he found something that worked he stole it and took off. Black Panther’s first appearance was in a Captain America movie. The Heart Shaped herb has been described as a natural “super soldier serum” enhancing all of ones physical attributes to above peak human levels; enhanced speed, agility, strength, endurance, healing and senses. Still, that isolationist nature would explain why other scientists have such difficulty in recreating the serum. Superior Human Condition 9. The Super Soldier Serum is a combination of special chemicals created by Professor Abraham Erskine and his team of scientists and chemists that created Captain America during World War II in the Operation Rebirth.. History. Assuming Adamantium is pretty much the same as Vibranium. Captain America's MCU Super Soldier Serum’s Secret Ingredient Revealed (Marvel Theory)SUBSCRIBE NOW to CBR! As for Stark’s formula, it seems even more removed from Erskine’s, as it doesn’t require radiation and creates highly unstable soldiers. At the very least, we know that smuggling things out of Wakanda has happened before. Nobody is able to recreate the Super Soldier Serum in the MCU because it comes from the Heart Shaped Herb. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. But if MCU does incorporate the thing about Cap's shield being Proto-Adamantium after introducing Adamantium, Wolvie's claws would only inflict little scratches or none at all on the shield. According to Ryan Coogler and Kevin Feige, the herb will indeed be what gives the Wakandan kings their abilities in the movies. I propose that it’s the Heart-Shaped Herb, the source of Black Panther’s powers. Don't forget that the herb is supposedly the way it is because of Vibranium in the soil, so it's possible that they took a shit load of samples with them from the area in which they found it. The super soldier serum is just super powers though; the herb is so much more. A subreddit dedicated to Marvel Studios and the Marvel Cinematic Universe! That begs the question, can the Black Panther get drunk ? He would probably be closer to Spider-Man level in terms of strength and durability. The sacred Heart Shaped Herb (HSH) has been apart of the Black Panther mythos since it was first mentioned in his second appearance in Fantastic Four #53 and first visualized in Avengers, vol 1 #87. in all fairness the serum was pretty deadly in Cap's shit too, and maybe Erskine went through a load of trouble synthesizing it, somehow? It's surrounded by ceremonies involving Zuri's children. A heart-shaped herb According to the fan theory, the Super Soldier Serum that made Steve Rogers Captain America actually comes from the Heart-Shaped Herb that gives Black Panther his powers. While they both increase strength, Cap’s superserum seems to do better in terms of strength. “The Heart-Shaped Herb is how Black Panther achieves his powers,” director Ryan Coogler explained to EW. Cap’s shield is made from vibranium, a metal of great importance to Wakanda (in fact, the vibranium in his shield might actually be from Wakanda). It's fair to say that Cap and BP are evenly matched as a total package. As great as cap's shield is, the BP suit and Wakandan technology are considerably better. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! With all that in mind, the Heart-Shaped Herb being utilized in Cap’s super soldier serum would be another connection between the characters. The herb's powers are tied to the vibranium that has been present in the soil of Wakanda for millions of years. 9 Black Panther's Heart-Shaped Herb Enhanced His Physical Attributes & Heightened His Senses Consuming the heart-shaped herb grants the sitting king abilities very akin to that super-soldier serum except that alternatively to being a scientifically engineered compound, it is a naturally growing herb. Theres an antidote for the herb. Both of their leadership qualities are more from their non enhanced selves then the enhancement so not considering that. ". But in the secret history of a Planetary campaign, one can link these disparate formulas and connect a tribal defender, a Victorian doctor (plus a maid) and a super-soldier with a super-serum for all the ages. The power to possess physical and mental abilities enhanced beyond that of a normal member of the user's species. Theres an antidote for the herb. Adamantium would pierce MCU Cap's shield and BP's armor. He wasn't even trying for the same thing because he knew he was missing a crucial ingredient. It makes narrative sense for Shuri to recreate the herb in some form since it serves as a vital piece to their tradition. The serum gives him the powers of the main universe Superman. Both are humans who are enhanced to about the same degree, assuming we are using the first, current, & best version of Captain America, Steve Rogers, for this comparison (Cap by the Super Soldier Serum, T'Challa by the heart-shaped herb). I don't know. To become the Black Panther, the chieftain of … The powers that he heart shaped herb were to give you can be taken away from you. Heart-Shaped Herb The Heart-Shaped Herb being applied to T'Challa in the comics. Would cap just become op if he ate the herb? Over the years, every country on Earth (and multiple branches of the U.S. government) have tried to duplicate the Super-Soldier serum. You also get an instruction to build the suit which can absorb and redirect kinetic energy. For being a super hero at least, if you just want to hang out with dead relatives than go with Herb. In legend it was said to have been a gift from the Panther God, the local deity they worshiped, but in reality the plant had been mutated by a giant meteorite of Vibranium crashing into the Earth. He developed the Vita-Ray process in the US. The Heart-Shaped Herb is from the secretive nation of Wakanda, which was likely even more isolationist during Erskine’s time. Unfortunately, the scientist who created the Super-Soldier process was killed shortly after Captain America was created, and took all his research with him. The super soldier serum is permanent. Erskine, a good man himself, might be afraid of other countries trying to take resources from an African country untouched by colonialism. Klaue did it, and Howard Stark himself probably did it as well during Erskine’s time. Captain America and Black Panther are already somewhat interwoven as characters in the MCU. The super soldier serum is permanent. However, creating a new herb to be used as a catalyst for the revival of a super-soldier program is an interesting decision, but not much is known behind the motivations of the Wakandan princess regarding this ordeal. I like this, the fact that the herb involved isn't in any way related to magic in the MCU makes it even more likely too. In this reality, Clark Kent is given a Super-Soldier serum created from DNA harvested from the body of a dead baby Kal-El. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I don't get why everyone is saying T'Challa is faster than Cap. You may recall a piece of speculation that surfaced a couple of weeks ago suggesting that the secret ingredient of the Super Soldier Serum could be the heart-shaped herb from Wakanda. RELATED: 15 Times Captain America Killed Someone. So if he did have the herb, he would have gotten it separately from wherever the vibranium was obtained. This category contains all content related to programs, projects and techniques used to create soldiers with abilities beyond the limits of existing human biology. Cap was weaker than Tchalla before enhancements but this is offset by the amount of training he does afterwards. Its juices help enhance the senses of the kings of the Panther Tribe and is applied to the skin. Wonder why this theory isn't higher up. This scene gave rise to the fan theory that the two heroes have similar powers and that they both received their powers from the Heart-Shaped Herb. Otherwise, Stark may have remembered the herb. Xavier Reed is captured by Brother Blood and injected with Mirakuru; he dies after bleeding from his eyes, unable to control or resist the effects. He did get the vibranium from somewhere deep in Africa, after all, and vibranium seems pretty particular to Wakanda. Each Black Panther throughout the generations has consumed the herb once they gain their title, in order to gain enhanced abilities. [7] Captain America’s power comes from the Super Soldier Serum, which was created by Dr. Abraham Erskine. In fact, he expounded upon it while explaining the serum’s personality-amplifying effects. Shuri is definitely interested in the Super-Soldier Serum that created Captain America and its similarities to the Heart-Shaped Herb that grants her brother, King T'Challa (Chadwick Boseman), the powers of the Black Panther. Bucky also doesn’t seem to display the enhanced personality traits that Steve and Schmidt did. It's not shown much in the mcu, but the comics make many references to cap constantly training like a beast. Immense Human Physical & Mental Attributes/Condition 4. Borderline-Enhanced Condition Naturally-Enhanced Physiology/Conditioning/State 5. However, if the serum itself worked, Ross could have kept using it with vita radiation instead of gamma radiation (vita radiation isn’t a secret, since we know Stark and Vanko were using it in Agent Carter, and it’s just electromagnetic radiation at a certain wavelength). Erskine didn't have the vibranium, that was a separate US project. If we’re talking specifically about the MCU, I would definitely choose the Super-Soldier Serum. Wait...could banner undergo the super solider thing right or would he hulk out before it completed...it looked quite painful in Cap 1. The Heart-Shaped Herb is a special Wakandan herb. There’s a missing piece of the puzzle that they have absolutely no way of knowing about. Well they come courtesy of the ‘Heart-Shaped Herb.’ A plant infused with Vibranium, it is bestowed upon chieftain of the Wakanda Panther Clan. only those worthy, and of noble blood could use it. Secondly, Feige mentioned that the herb’s sacred ritual is part of “Zuri's sacred ritual, creating something for the king.” Zuri is Forest Whitaker’s character who seems to be the one in the trailer saying “You are a good man with a good heart, and it's hard for a good man to be a king.” This sounds a bit familiar. The solo films of both these characters featured their origins and how they became who they are. Those natural skills and abilities are all well-and-good, but what of Black Panther’s actual super-powers? The Super Soldier Serum is a chemical solution created and developed by Carlisle Black uses perfected version of the Mirakuru, an Biomolecular Enhancer, the original Super Soldier Serum and Heart-shaped Herb. Admittedly, the weak point of this theory is how Erskine got access to the herb in the first place without anyone else knowing about it. We have another character in the MCU who prominently spoke on being a “good man”: Erskine. The powers that he heart shaped herb were to give you can be taken away from you. Physical Peak/Prime 8. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FanTheories community. Variations of the Super-Soldier Serum have been developed over the years which induced greater-mutations than peak human capa… To put it another way: I would take the heart shaped herb, then take the antidote an hour later if it meant I got to see my grandparents again. Subjects that are considered by a enhancement true \"Peak-Potential\" are noted to be Captain America, Isaiah Bradley, Josiah X, Protocide via an SSS variant, and Union Jack via a different SSS. Press J to jump to the feed. Needless to say, Erskine’s secret formula for the super soldier serum is a big deal in Captain America’s movies. I was thinking of suggesting that, but it would mean that Erskine would've had to keep it a secret from Stark. If he had told people about the herb, the US would be knocking on Wakanda’s door the very next day. Also, Sin's friend, Max Stantonwas found in an alley, dead with blood running out of his eyes, revealing that he was injected with the serum, but the attempt to use it on … Nigh/Near-Enhanced Condition/Physiology 3. [MCU] Erskine's super soldier formula includes the Heart-Shaped Herb in some capacity FanTheory Needless to say, Erskine’s secret formula for the super soldier serum … I wouldn't mind having either one, but if I had to choose, I'd choose the super soldier serum. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the marvelstudios community. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. I like the theory that Caps serum was based on the heart shaped herb. On Comics and Graphic Novels, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Is the heart shaped herb the same as the super soldier serum? So, what’s the secret to Erskine’s formula? Then again, maybe Stark did know about the herb, but couldn't get more of it. Press J to jump to the feed. That definitely makes sense as to why he could create a serum that nobody, not even geniuses like Stark or Banner, could replicate. Not saying tchalla doesn't train, but he spends most of his time being a king. Cap. There are two other things of note in that article. If the herb in the movies has any blue colour to it or the smoke that comes from it when burned then we have our answer, There is an issue though the herb pretty much would kill any non wakandian in the comics, and even then the average wakandian couldn't exactly use it without dying. Things to think about -- Erskine developed the SSS when he was still in Germany, which is why the Skull has it. It is also a lethal poison to those not of the royal line, which T'Challa toldHawkeye after he tasted it.1 The Heart-Shaped Herb tree was located above the Wakandan embassy in Manhattan, New York. Dr. Erskine injecting Super Soldier Serum on stick-thin Steve Rogers on Operation Rebirth. By drinking its potion you gain super strength and various other abilities. And even if Erskine got his hands on it, it seems unlikely that Wakanda would knowingly let him take it. First, Coogler says this of the herb: “The Heart-Shaped Herb is how Black Panther achieves his powers. He specifically acknowledges Cap’s super soldier nature in relation to the abilities granted by the Heart-Shaped Herb. It would also contribute to Erskine’s secrecy regarding the formula, assuming he knew about Wakanda. The Super-Soldier Serum is somewhat of a misnomer, as the \"serum\" actually consists of various processes. Usage of the He… Peak Physical/Mental Condition 7. I would go with your link to Cap a bit more though, perhaps when Howard Stark got the Vibranium originally, he and Erskine were together and that's when Erskine found the heart-shaped herb. After their initial use of the heart-shaped herb, scientists were able to use Vibranium in Wakandan medical science.A single “Kimoyo bead” was used by T’Challa to stabilize Agent Ross’ near-fatal bullet wound in Black Panther.Later, T’Challa’s sister Shuri was able to use Vibranium-based medicines to completely heal the wound in a matter of hours. Maximum Human State/Maximum Human Conditioning 2. My only issue with that it’ll take away credit from Erskine’s intelligence to create the serum all on his own. During the Battle for Wakanda, Black Panther begins the charge first, but who do we see accelerate to T'Challa's speed before the two leap into battle? Peak Human Stats 10. Yeah, I just mentioned Stark's procurement of vibranium to show that things may have been taken Wakanda during Erskine's time. So if "Serum + Shield" = "Herb + Suit + Tech" and "Suit + Tech" > Shield, then Serum > Herb. Zola’s formula successfully created the Winter Soldier, but if it was perfect, he probably would have continued using it. Combination of Enhanced Body and Enhanced Mind. if you just want to hang out with dead relatives then go with Herb. Actually, put Thor through the super soldier thing, then give him the herb. What would happen if he had the heart shaped herb and Super Soldier Serum? Instead, he has to rely on Stark’s formula. I wouldn't mind having either one, but if I had to choose, I'd choose the super soldier serum. We know the Super Soldier Serum won’t let you, but could the herb? Frozen in ice after a battle with Ultra-Metallo at the end of World War II, Super-Soldier is revived decades later and continues his fight for justice. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The Heart-Shaped Herb is a plant that only grows in the nation of Wakanda. Off topic, but I always wonder if Wolverine's claws would pierce Cap's shield or T'Challa's armor. You can also place grass blocks above Vibranium Ore/Blocks and after some time the Heart-Shaped Herb will grow. 1. Now a new Reddit theory by user 4DimensionalToilet links the origin of Cap’s powers to the Heart-shaped herb.